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[Aquarion] SPLITTERS!\ [Treenaks] Aquarion: ?\ [Treenaks] Aquarion: you’re the splitter..\ [Aquarion] Not from my POV\ [Aquarion] By my screen you all split off from me\ [Phated] Heh.\ [Phated] Relativity, young lads!\ [Aquarion] Yes, but that doesn’t stop y’all being spliters\ [Phated] And it doesn’t stop you being a filthy liar AND a splitter.\ [Phated] :D\ [Treenaks] Phated: who are you? Einstein? :)\ [Aquarion] :-P\ [Aquarion] Einstein didn’t call people filthy liars\ [Phated] He most certainly did. He accused God of not playing dice, didn’t he?\ [Treenaks] Aquarion: maybe she’s his Evil Clone ?\ [Phated] I’m not a clone, shush. :)\ [Aquarion] God not only plays dice with the universe, he does it behind his screen and claims it was a critical hit.\ [Phated] Aquarion: Exactly!\ [Phated] Besides, clones are the same sex as their seed.\ [GeeAyeJoe] the lord is a monkey\ [Aquarion] Thus proving you are not Einstein.\ [Treenaks] Phated: a mis-clone then?\ [Phated] I never said I was Einstein.\ [Aquarion] Indeed\ [Aquarion] But Treenaks thinks your a clone now.\ [Phated] Aye, but he asked if I were Einstein, and he was wrong then too.\ Aquarion\ [Treenaks] Aquarion: maybe she was both Einstein and not Einstein until we asked\ [Phated] I am not in a box, nor am I a cat.\ [Aquarion] Are you sure?\ [GeeAyeJoe] haha\ [Phated] Well, now you’ve asked, I’m sure.\ [Aquarion] Well, I’m not.\ [Aquarion] For the sake of this argument, the Internet is a box, you see, because it stops us from directly observing you\ [Treenaks] Aquarion: you just want her to turn on her webcam :P\ [Phated] HEH\ [Phated] Well, for the sake of this argument, once the cat’s meowed, you know it’s alive.\ [Treenaks] Phated: no, you know it was alive at the moment it meowed\ [Aquarion] Indeed. But the cat wasn’t the original argument. You introduced the feline to the equation\ [Phated] Aye, true.\ [Aquarion] You could still be Einstein\ [Phated] But I am not Einstein, and no, I’m not turning on my webcam.\ [Aquarion] On the internet, nobody knows that you’re a cat.\ [Treenaks] Phated: no webcam?!\ [Phated] On the internet, even a cat can’t type this quickly.\ [Aquarion] Right, but are you not notEinstein?\ [Phated] Treenaks: … Quite.\ [Phated] Aquarion: I AM noteinstein.\ [Phated] Hrrmph, you’d think it were a mortal sin to not have a webcam.\ [Treenaks] Phated: for a woman? yes.\ [Phated] That’s completely unfair, and untrue.\ [Aquarion] We can’t prove this, you see. (The Einstein thing. Not the webcam thing)\ [Bryn_S] right…\ [Phated] But I can. Imagine if you had an observer IN the box with the cat. The cat’s state (or Einsteinity, as it were) could then be reported, even if the box remained sealed.\ [Aquarion] Indeed\ ] Bryn_S adds a USB expansion card to his shopping list\ [Aquarion] On the other hand, you don’t count as a reliable observer, since it is your claim we need to prove\ [Aquarion] Or disprove, depending.\ Phated\ [ChairmanMiaow] mmm spinach and brocolli soup\ [Phated] No, it is NOT my claim, since it was Treenaks’s opinion.\ Aquarion\ [Phated] I did not make a claim.\ [pickle] ’morning\ Phated :)\ [Aquarion] And if it were the death of the cat that were the issue you would be right.\ [Aquarion] But you could still be claiming you weren’t Einstein on IRC whether you were, or not, Einstein.\ [Phated] [Heh.]\ [ h|barbobot is Einstein\ [Phated] Quite, but the fact is that Einstein would have won this argument by now. If I were Einstein, I would have sufficient intellect to have completely proven (or disproven) that I were (or were not) Einstein.\ [*] h|barbobot is Einstein\ [Phated] [That’s an excellent article.]\ [Phated] [Or post. Whatever.]\ [Treenaks] it all depends on which side of the netsplit you were, probably\ Phated\ ] Darkside_Dave has quit (Nick collision from services.)\ [Aquarion] Not necessarily. Einstein was crap at watercolours, for example. Proving his existence might have been one of his week points.\ h|barbobot\ [** h|barbobot is Einstein\ [Aquarion] [Article. Escapist is a good thing]\ *] southpole_dk is now known as Darkside_Dave\ [** h|barbobot is now known as h|Einstein\ Aquarion\ [Phated] It’s not his existence that would be at stake. He exists/existed. This we know. His quality at watercolours, by virtue of having any value (even a very low one, ie. “was crap at”), indicates still that he existed.\ *] h|Einstein is the Father of modern physics\ [pickle] so who’s going to strip the good lines out of this conversation and put it on the quotes page?\ [Phated] Someone else. :)\ [ h|Einstein ’s paintings are really good\ [Phated] I can’t quote myself, ’twould be shameless.\ [Aquarion] This is all true\ ] h|Einstein says art is subjective and to judge it otherwise would be foolish\ [Aquarion] But you were proving your argument by virtue of the fact that if you were Einstein, you would have won by now.\ [Phated] Aye, and I have not. Thus, I clearly am not Einstein.\ [Aquarion] And it could be that Einstein just wasn’t very good at existential arguments\ [Aquarion] isn’t, even.\ [ mrben is now known as mrben_away\ ] h|Einstein wins the argument by the mere fact he is Einstein\ [Phated] {Of course, my intellect could be such that I decided to argue that I wasn’t good enough to argue it, thereby winning the argument and thus, actually, BEING good enough to argue it. We come to an impasse.}\ [ h|Einstein watercolors a quark\ [Aquarion] {We do, but winning arguments by paradox is cheating}\ [Aquarion] {And Einstein wouldn’t cheat}\ ] h|Einstein has a paradox named after him\ [h|Einstein] poldosky and rosen too, but they dont count, i got my name first by beating them in a game of poker\ [Phated] {Precisely. So, I’m either winning by virtue or paradox, thus cheating, thus proving I am not Einstein, or NOT winning it, because of the paradox, thus leaving the argument unsettled, but STILL proving that I am not einstein, because I would have won it without resorting to a paradox or cheating.}\ [Phated] {s/or/of/}\ [h|Einstein] can 2 einsteins exist in the same space time?\ [Aquarion] {On the other hand, Einstein might have not minded cheating}\ [Aquarion] {Who can say?}\ [h|Einstein] if so, could they use the 2 sets of cards to beat others at poker?\ [Aquarion] h|Einstein, Only in a netsplit\ [Phated] {I don’t know, but I still haven’t won it, but none of you have, either.}\ [h|Einstein] but netsplits are unpredictable\ [Aquarion] So is cheescake\ [h|Einstein] we must harness the netsplits to see its true power\ [GeeAyeJoe] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen\_interpretation\ [Aquarion] {This is indeed true. We appear to have taken the main argument into curly braces too, which probably means something or othher}\ [Phated] If all coordinates of spacetime of the two Einsteins are exactly the same (arguably, ’in the same space time’), they’re technically each other.\ [Treenaks] ’’’Or just quote it like this’’’\ [Phated] {Hrm. I refuse to reach for my curly braces again. Let’s redominate\ [GeeAyeJoe] haha\ [h|Einstein] e=mc^2\ [h|Einstein] there proved it.\ [h|Einstein] i win\ [Aquarion] Okay, what are the letters in your famous equation, and what do they stand for?\ [Phated] Oooh, go go Aquarion\ [h|Einstein] energy mass and speed of light.\ [Aquarion] Pah, schoolboy stuff. What do they mean?\ [h|Einstein] what does anything mean?\ [Aquarion] Everything.\ [ h|Einstein is now known as h|socrates\ [h|socrates] everything?\ [Aquarion] Everything\ [Treenaks] www.everything2.com ;)\ [h|socrates] every?\ [h|socrates] thing?\ [Phated] Ah, the etrix, truly the source of all.\ [Phated] The source - and the deposit.\ [Aquarion] [You’ll notice I can’t actually answer my own question without inadvertently proving myself to be Einstein, thus invalidating my own argument]\ [h|socrates] Why?\ [Phated] [Aye, wonderfully true - however, we haven’t actually settled the question of multiple Einsteins.]\ [GeeAyeJoe] ein stein\ [Aquarion] [Indeed. Hurrah. I can judge the answers without defeating myself!]\ [h|socrates] didnt we solve that with the improbability drive?\ [Treenaks] Phated, Aquarion: For all I know, you’re both the same person\ [Phated] [Precisely.]\ [h|socrates] who was the one who put down the teacup?\ [Aquarion] You did.\ [Aquarion] On the other hand…\ [h|socrates] who am I?\ ] Aquarion sets mode -e Aquarion\ [ You are now known as h|Einstein\ [h|Einstein] Maybe I did\ [h|socrates] who are we?\ [h|Einstein] We are neither\ [h|socrates] where is neither?\ ] Phated is now known as h|neither\ [ Treenaks is now known as h|eisenberg\ [h|Einstein] It is over there\ [h|neither] We are all.\ ] h|eisenberg is now known as Treenaks\ [ h|neither is now known as Phated\ [GeeAyeJoe] just like the schizos you’re more than they believe\ [h|socrates] wasnt Treenaks the cleverest?\ [h|Einstein] [I think we’re beyond the scope of the qdb now]\ [Phated] [Quite likely, yeah.]\ [h|socrates] what arent we beyond the scope of?\ [h|Einstein] Peri.